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		<title>By: Exposing the Dark Side of Academic Fiction Workshops &#124; Literary Story Fiction Writer's Blog.com</title>
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		<title>By: William Coles</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Coles</dc:creator>
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		<description>Nancy,

Thanks for comment.  Your prompts are more exercises than gimmicks, and the value of the prompts you present at the Kenyon workshops is one of the many reasons I’ve come back to Kenyon and your teaching for so many years.  My concern is that writers encouraged by gimmicky prompts often generate the search for finding their inner self and the stories that created inner selves; this is often a misdirection that doesn’t help the writing.  Anything that suggests an experience that produced a feeling in the writer will be recreated and valuable to a reader when described on the page is detrimental, I believe.  Prompts are useful, I think, when they identify areas to explore human motivations and desires--and the human spirit in conflict--that will contribute to a story.  You taught me that.

I know you think I list toward plot, but my belief is character is everything in the great literary fictional story.  Only when well developed, interesting, (a little heroic, inherently amusing, consistent in their moral applications to life, and active), can characters drive the action-dramatic plot necessary for memorable literary fiction.  Is is essential, that characters, I think, need to be developed through action and conflict, in addition to descriptive narrative.  All this means something needs to happen—a lot, but does not mean plot dominates.  In literary fiction, I believe plot is characters forced to make decisions that cause plot changes and progress.  In genre fiction, circumstances and environment drive plot, and characters are actors on a stage often preset with a plot contrivance. 

I’ve always admired your top-story/bottom-story concepts, and your insistence that your class is a fiction class and not a memoir class.  Thanks for all you’ve given me over the years in the understanding of what writing should be.

Best,

BILL</description>
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<p>Thanks for comment.  Your prompts are more exercises than gimmicks, and the value of the prompts you present at the Kenyon workshops is one of the many reasons I’ve come back to Kenyon and your teaching for so many years.  My concern is that writers encouraged by gimmicky prompts often generate the search for finding their inner self and the stories that created inner selves; this is often a misdirection that doesn’t help the writing.  Anything that suggests an experience that produced a feeling in the writer will be recreated and valuable to a reader when described on the page is detrimental, I believe.  Prompts are useful, I think, when they identify areas to explore human motivations and desires&#8211;and the human spirit in conflict&#8211;that will contribute to a story.  You taught me that.</p>
<p>I know you think I list toward plot, but my belief is character is everything in the great literary fictional story.  Only when well developed, interesting, (a little heroic, inherently amusing, consistent in their moral applications to life, and active), can characters drive the action-dramatic plot necessary for memorable literary fiction.  Is is essential, that characters, I think, need to be developed through action and conflict, in addition to descriptive narrative.  All this means something needs to happen—a lot, but does not mean plot dominates.  In literary fiction, I believe plot is characters forced to make decisions that cause plot changes and progress.  In genre fiction, circumstances and environment drive plot, and characters are actors on a stage often preset with a plot contrivance. </p>
<p>I’ve always admired your top-story/bottom-story concepts, and your insistence that your class is a fiction class and not a memoir class.  Thanks for all you’ve given me over the years in the understanding of what writing should be.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Zafris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Zafris</dc:creator>
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		<description>Bill says some good as well as provocative things about writing workshops.  As someone who teaches each year at the Kenyon Review workshop, I am always trying to figure out a way to make the workshop dynamic rather than static.  Having the participants generate new work rather than discussing already completed work keeps the workshop going forward in a productive way.  To that end, I do use prompts, so I am in somewhat of a disagreement with Bill over that.  I use prompts that are far afield of the writer&#039;s experience, and I have found that they help the writers find a conduit to express the stories they have been longing to tell.  Bill&#039;s emphasis on story structure, on the one hand, might seem to value plot over character.  I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s what he&#039;s saying; if so, I disagree with that.  On the other hand, I&#039;ve always found that in workshops stories tend toward less happening than more.  There is usually already a deep commitment to character and description.  To bring that even more alive, the story usually benefits from structuring and plotting.  I&#039;ve had only a few students who were mainly plot, and that&#039;s a whole other issue.  As a teacher of fiction, the one area I have not been able to address satisfactorily is the novel.  I&#039;ve been wondering for years how to do a novel workshop.  I&#039;m going to test one out this September with a friend of mine who runs a writing retreat in Virginia called The Porches.  We&#039;re going to do three writers at a time for three intensive days.  I&#039;m not sure how to do it otherwise.  I don&#039;t think a regular workshop would work.  All the students would read everybody else&#039;s novel?  That&#039;s a lot of reading.  And here, in the novel case, I do concur here with Bill&#039;s comment about  student critiques.  Having everybody critique could create havoc when it comes to novels.  Has anybody had experience with this?  Agreement?  Disagreement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill says some good as well as provocative things about writing workshops.  As someone who teaches each year at the Kenyon Review workshop, I am always trying to figure out a way to make the workshop dynamic rather than static.  Having the participants generate new work rather than discussing already completed work keeps the workshop going forward in a productive way.  To that end, I do use prompts, so I am in somewhat of a disagreement with Bill over that.  I use prompts that are far afield of the writer&#039;s experience, and I have found that they help the writers find a conduit to express the stories they have been longing to tell.  Bill&#039;s emphasis on story structure, on the one hand, might seem to value plot over character.  I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s what he&#039;s saying; if so, I disagree with that.  On the other hand, I&#039;ve always found that in workshops stories tend toward less happening than more.  There is usually already a deep commitment to character and description.  To bring that even more alive, the story usually benefits from structuring and plotting.  I&#039;ve had only a few students who were mainly plot, and that&#039;s a whole other issue.  As a teacher of fiction, the one area I have not been able to address satisfactorily is the novel.  I&#039;ve been wondering for years how to do a novel workshop.  I&#039;m going to test one out this September with a friend of mine who runs a writing retreat in Virginia called The Porches.  We&#039;re going to do three writers at a time for three intensive days.  I&#039;m not sure how to do it otherwise.  I don&#039;t think a regular workshop would work.  All the students would read everybody else&#039;s novel?  That&#039;s a lot of reading.  And here, in the novel case, I do concur here with Bill&#039;s comment about  student critiques.  Having everybody critique could create havoc when it comes to novels.  Has anybody had experience with this?  Agreement?  Disagreement?</p>
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